tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2556126903764105050.post664602736681220193..comments2024-03-02T15:12:47.341+00:00Comments on Colgar6 and the Infinite Legion of Toy Soldiers: Frostgrave: Death in the SnowColgar6http://www.blogger.com/profile/07636662295301222390noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2556126903764105050.post-17728575807086170692016-04-11T08:25:26.445+01:002016-04-11T08:25:26.445+01:00I get what you're saying. I myself am having t...I get what you're saying. I myself am having trouble meeting a writing submission deadline while getting some painting done up and taking photos of the results. It isn't easy to blog and do hobbying stuff not to mention spend family time without something having to give. Takes discipline especially when you have done so much gaming as per your photos above. :)FourEyedMonsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18161202517627920103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2556126903764105050.post-6351690932445912852016-04-10T19:34:08.248+01:002016-04-10T19:34:08.248+01:00Very cool. Made it to my new weekly write-up of ba...Very cool. Made it to my new weekly write-up of batreps/AARs.<br /><br />http://beast44a.blogspot.com/2016/04/battles-of-week-10-april-2016.html<br />Beast 44ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08422921351792961503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2556126903764105050.post-32420992931139516832016-04-09T12:10:37.428+01:002016-04-09T12:10:37.428+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.SteveHolmes11https://www.blogger.com/profile/17392212343858957364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2556126903764105050.post-40595178700600973882016-04-09T12:10:13.382+01:002016-04-09T12:10:13.382+01:00A philosophical intervention - aside form this par...A philosophical intervention - aside form this particular battle.<br /><br />I'm noticing a significant minority of "I won't play this game again because my guys died" - posts about Frostgrave in the wider blogosphere. It rather surprised me so I gave it some deeper thought.<br /><br />The whole issue of "Player killing" seems almost quasi-religious among different gamer communities.<br /><br />Tabletop wargamers would think it an odd game if elements of their army were invulnerable - and I suspect they would soon exploit it if this were the case.<br /><br />30 years ago when I did more RPGing, player death was regarded as almost taboo in most groups - the GM was nagged and bullied to always provide a bit more time, a saving roll, give the cleric another go at saving him... This seemed the default setting, through some groups and systems embraced a more deadly style of play.<br /><br />Electronic gaming seems to have its own traditions on player killing.<br />Multi-user dungeons typically frowned on the player killer, and often flagged such players like a medieval outlaw.<br />Most First person shooters have checkpoints in single player mode, so nobody ever really dies. This is reversed on Online FPS team games where player life is short and brutal (though reincarnation is also swift).<br /><br />So it seems that different genres of gaming have their own custom regarding player death.<br /><br />My thesis is that Frostgrave draws players form the Wargaming and RPG traditions. The wargamers see it as a magical skirmish, while the PRGers see a multi-player dungeon crawl.<br /><br />I humbly suggest that some of the righteous indignation may be coming from pure RPGers who expect the usual levels of invulnerability in their characters.<br /><br />Is there a fix: volumes have been written on fixing Frostgrave, which usually agree on some common house rules.<br />Regarding player death - I've 2 ideas.<br /><br />The first is a common house rule - remove the XP rewards for killing. This reduces advancement for Michael Bay type wizards, and also reduces the incentive to kill for killing's sake.<br /><br />The other would be to establish a "school of magic" - one wizard and one apprentice (Let's call them Dumbledore and Harry) undertake the quest, while others (McGonagall, Slughorn, Ron, Hermione, Neville) are ready to step in should the hero and sidekick fall.<br />Some may consider this a soft option, but it's there for the folks who don't want their wizards to die.SteveHolmes11https://www.blogger.com/profile/17392212343858957364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2556126903764105050.post-23154614578296733262016-04-08T13:11:20.113+01:002016-04-08T13:11:20.113+01:00Thanks, David. It's been said that Frostgrave...Thanks, David. It's been said that Frostgrave plays out just the combat parts of DnD. I don't think that's detracting anything from either game, mind!Colgar6https://www.blogger.com/profile/07636662295301222390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2556126903764105050.post-90202090149217487282016-04-08T13:10:08.832+01:002016-04-08T13:10:08.832+01:00Thanks, Joe; I'm hoping that a family holiday ...Thanks, Joe; I'm hoping that a family holiday in the coming week will help my mood.<br /><br />I think you're mistaken about Mysterio's reaction, though! Whilst the ending of another life is always a bad thing (especially when it's a wizard; we don't want the crude soldiers to think that it's OK to slaughter us higher thinkers), Malcolm wasn't really "one of us". After all, he wasn't exactly the kind of bloke from whom you could borrow a spellbook, or have a natter about the best tools for scrying...Colgar6https://www.blogger.com/profile/07636662295301222390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2556126903764105050.post-24384295189694340052016-04-07T21:46:55.053+01:002016-04-07T21:46:55.053+01:00Very enjoyable. I know a lot more about Frostgrave...Very enjoyable. I know a lot more about Frostgrave now than before. It looks like the type of fun game DnD should have been!David Cookehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17148983897942472092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2556126903764105050.post-26260761141730566652016-04-06T20:52:47.806+01:002016-04-06T20:52:47.806+01:00I feek for your lack of enthusiasm, my own goes up...I feek for your lack of enthusiasm, my own goes up and down like a bride's nightie, but the aar was very amusing and I can imagine Mysterio's baneful crying and wailing at the death of his nemesis Malcolm. (IMO The player should take up the challenge of re-start with either his apprentice promoted or seek out a new Wizard to apprentice for -- it can be fun being "up against it")Zabadakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05649765350412145174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2556126903764105050.post-8760942576294352692016-04-06T20:07:26.909+01:002016-04-06T20:07:26.909+01:00I agree, with 4 players, a few turns in early game...I agree, with 4 players, a few turns in early games seemed to go on for ever.<br /><br />I think the poor old statues in the present game also suffered form having 4 players.<br />Statue activation was a signal for a bonus point bonanza for the first player to take them down.<br /><br />In a 2 player game, one might opt to leave a statue to "do its thing" if that looked like attacking the opponent's warband.SteveHolmes11https://www.blogger.com/profile/17392212343858957364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2556126903764105050.post-27912740657183072112016-04-06T20:03:51.164+01:002016-04-06T20:03:51.164+01:00Why thank you Clint. They're a vicious band le...Why thank you Clint. They're a vicious band led by a dreadfully inept spellcaster. Imagine (if you will) Tommy Cooper with an entourage of football hooligans.<br /><br />Peltar doesn't enjoy being inept, and has ordered this book to improve his skills.<br /><br />http://www.amazon.co.uk/Tricks-Beginners-Dover-Magic-Books/dp/0486434656<br /><br />SteveHolmes11https://www.blogger.com/profile/17392212343858957364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2556126903764105050.post-88414745213847866232016-04-06T19:50:40.345+01:002016-04-06T19:50:40.345+01:004 players gives more opportunity for interaction t...4 players gives more opportunity for interaction than 3 (there's too much temptation for 2 to gang up on 1 in a 3-player game). But you need to keep the game flowing, else it can drag with more people involved!Colgar6https://www.blogger.com/profile/07636662295301222390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2556126903764105050.post-64421187498120932282016-04-06T19:48:49.224+01:002016-04-06T19:48:49.224+01:00Thanks, Clint - I'll pass it on. Though Steve...Thanks, Clint - I'll pass it on. Though Steve (Peltar's alter ego) does sometimes read this blog and might respond anyway.<br /><br />It does seem a shame if you won't be playing again, but if people aren't enjoying it then that's the right thing to do.<br /><br />Mojo comes, mojo goes. At least, that's how it seems to work...Colgar6https://www.blogger.com/profile/07636662295301222390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2556126903764105050.post-90341337367190703692016-04-06T19:45:58.923+01:002016-04-06T19:45:58.923+01:00Another fine report, now it gets me excited for ou...Another fine report, now it gets me excited for our next campaign game. We are also finally introducing a 4th player, which should add some more interaction between bands.Terry Silverthornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02873668652853883440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2556126903764105050.post-55911770539225284452016-04-06T19:44:21.791+01:002016-04-06T19:44:21.791+01:00Very nice of you to say so, thanks!Very nice of you to say so, thanks!Colgar6https://www.blogger.com/profile/07636662295301222390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2556126903764105050.post-47174096552669449722016-04-06T19:44:04.773+01:002016-04-06T19:44:04.773+01:00Thanks, HW. I hope so too.Thanks, HW. I hope so too.Colgar6https://www.blogger.com/profile/07636662295301222390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2556126903764105050.post-70310484085290308782016-04-06T19:43:44.182+01:002016-04-06T19:43:44.182+01:00Well, perhaps the secret is to be much more wary w...Well, perhaps the secret is to be much more wary with such an important character? Just saying :-) ...Colgar6https://www.blogger.com/profile/07636662295301222390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2556126903764105050.post-84327107478078870412016-04-06T19:43:02.850+01:002016-04-06T19:43:02.850+01:00Thanks, Gordon. Glad you enjoyed it.Thanks, Gordon. Glad you enjoyed it.Colgar6https://www.blogger.com/profile/07636662295301222390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2556126903764105050.post-15702815921552330602016-04-06T09:13:35.624+01:002016-04-06T09:13:35.624+01:00You may let the goblin enchanter know he has a fan...You may let the goblin enchanter know he has a fan! Arras and constructs all the way baby! <br /><br />It is a great shame that as a club we probably WILL NOT PLAY THIS AGAIN! Two players who died (one in 2 games running!) are steering clear of the game. It is a shame but as a club if it is NOT being enjoyed what's the point? Therefore I shall read our Bat reports with great enthusiasm.<br /><br />Hope the blogging mojo returns with enthusiasm multiplied 3 fold. Clinthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02351729764098750618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2556126903764105050.post-84117800106419145372016-04-06T07:56:59.033+01:002016-04-06T07:56:59.033+01:00I really do like your battle reports, classy stuff...I really do like your battle reports, classy stuff Sir. Michael Awdryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07049982879661559305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2556126903764105050.post-5776465676511114412016-04-06T03:43:09.505+01:002016-04-06T03:43:09.505+01:00Great report and i hope you get you insperation ba...Great report and i hope you get you insperation back C6!Hobbyworkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12987860227123782381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2556126903764105050.post-24664129070244301612016-04-05T22:18:05.133+01:002016-04-05T22:18:05.133+01:00I think I'd cry if my level 11 wizard ended up...I think I'd cry if my level 11 wizard ended up dead dead. We'll be playing Frostgrave at the club this Friday. It suddenly seems to have taken off there. Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01262838777862575100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2556126903764105050.post-89822990360887255932016-04-05T22:07:41.502+01:002016-04-05T22:07:41.502+01:00A fun looking game!A fun looking game!Mallius Vanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11017597212038657943noreply@blogger.com